Aug 25, 2025
Real Estate Investing Morning Show β Hosted by Wayne & Gabby Hillier
Todayβs episode dives into one of the most common questions real estate investors face: should you pay off your mortgages and enjoy the security of free-and-clear properties, or should you refinance, access equity, and reinvest to grow your portfolio? Wayne and Gabby share real-life examples, talk through the math, and discuss how different goals, stages of life, and investing mindsets affect the decision.
Why investors struggle with the refinance vs. pay-off decision
How equity can be βdead moneyβ if it isnβt working for you
The importance of calculating your return on equity (ROE)
When refinancing makes sense and when it doesnβt
The risks of overleveraging and how to avoid them
The role of the 5% Ruleβ’ cash flow test in protecting your portfolio
Why cash flow matters more at different stages of life
How lifestyle choices, mindset, and long-term goals shape your decision
Wayne & Gabby Hillier are full-time real estate investors and coaches based in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Through their REI Masters Mentorship Program, they help Canadians build long-term wealth using rental properties, BRRRRs, flips, joint ventures, and creative real estate strategies.
New episodes every weekday morning featuring real stories, coaching moments, and tactical investing advice.
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